Tuesday, June 19, 2012

Grant vs. Lee

Over at Borepatch's place, a couple of commenters have taken a rather revisionist history that Grant was a better general than Lee:
Robert E. Lee was a great general as long as he had room to maneuver and troops to maneuver with. When he didn't have those things, he was considerably less effective. 
Well, now that's interesting. Lee, who was almost always outnumbered and under equipped, wasn't much of a general because he maneuvered his troops. Suggesting that a general shouldn't maneuver troops is like suggesting that a general shouldn't be a general at all.

Great generals have always maneuvered troops. Hannibal consistently out witted the Romans by moving troops around. Rommel, the wily German general of North Africa, kept the British tied up in knots by pitching his forces hither and fore. Of course, Hannibal's victory at Cannae, one of the bloodiest and most deadly in all of history, kept him "maneuvering" around Italy for 8 more years until finally he just left and the Romans won by default. And Rommel often maneuvered his troops so far around the British that they found themselves in desert with no enemy to fight, Germany kinda losing that whole African campaign anyway. So maybe those aren't good comparisons.

But let's look at it this way. Was Grant a good general? Well, if being drunk in battle is a sign of good leadership, sure! From this quarter's issue of Military History Quarterly:
“I was not long in perceiving that Grant had been drinking heavily,” the newsman later wrote, “and that he was still keeping it up.” Unable to persuade Grant’s aides to intervene, “I then took the general in hand myself, enticed him into his stateroom, locked the room…and commenced throwing bottles of whiskey…into the river.” The reporter eventually convinced Grant to lie down and fanned him to sleep. The general’s drinking continued to be a problem from time to time, but Cadwallader helped manage it, and Grant was grateful. For the remainder of the campaign, the reporter enjoyed all the perks of a member of Grant’s staff.
Eventually Vicksburg did fall. Perhaps things would have turned out differently if General John Pemberton had been shit-faced as well.

Ah! But that wasn't against Lee. So what about Lee vs. Grant.

Well, there's the Battle of Cold Harbor which started when Grant maneuvered his troops around Lee's flank giving Grant a great opening. But things went quickly down hill from that point as Grant attempted to assault Lee in a fortified position. The result was probably the most lopsided of the Civil War, Grant losing 13,000 men to Lee's 2,500.

Maneuvering wasn't part of the picture at the Battle of the Crater either, which occurred just a short while after Cold Harbor. Grant was fortunate enough to have a mining expert in his ranks, and the Union army dug a mine underneath the Confederate lines so that they could set off an explosive charge. And they did, creating a crater that is still visible today in Petersburg, VA. That blast instantly killed 250 Confederates and caused so much confusion that nary a Confederate rifle or canon was fired for a full 15 minutes. Grant took great advantage of the chaos and rushed his troops in... and still they screwed it up. Lee's lines held that day, taking only half the casualties as Grant when the battle was done.

Yes, Lee did end up surrendering to Grant ten months later but not because he was out-generaled. By any length of measure, Lee was the better general.

11 comments:

  1. I don't know anything about war or generals, but I do enjoy reading these kinds of posts and the comments.

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    1. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Now, if you forget any of this you can easily and simply remember the lesson here: Grant = drunkard, Lee = genius.

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  2. The only reasons the Union won was because they had an enormous industrial base, and they vastly outnumbered the Confederates. Grant won by sheer weight of numbers time and again, rarely did he win by outmaneuvering his opponent.

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    1. I 100% agree. I'm always stunned when people think that Grant was some sort of great general, especially in comparison to Lee.

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  3. Grant could grind and grind and grind, and he did so.

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    1. In Grant's defense (and you are not gonna catch me using that phrase too much), at least he did grind, a change of direction compared to the previous commander.

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    2. Oh, absolutely. He knew that if the Union had 5 and the Confederates had 3 and 2 were killed on each side that the Union was still ahead.

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  4. Lincoln recognized Grant's most distinguishing feature (when compared with other Union Generals): he fought.

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    1. As an exercise, let's compare Grant to the generals of WWI. The generals of WWI are usually not held in high regard, at least by me, as they were more content with throwing bodies against the problem rather than try to stress their thinking melons.

      It is said that Grant was better than McClellan because Grant was not scared of battle. But is that true? McClellan's fault was that he was too cautious. Grant was not, and he threw wave after wave of bodies against the South.

      So how is it Grant was a good general? Didn't he engage in the same reckless behavior as the WWI generals? Wouldn't a good general have found away to defeat Lee with at least a casualty rate on-par with his enemy?

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  5. I'm in full agreement with you, Andy. Though I'm probably a little bit biased because I live precisely where Lee did most of his finest work. Something else to be said in Lee's regard is that he was consistently good; all military leaders make mistakes, but the best ones have a history of success. In my opinion that's what separates them from rest, and what makes them great. Alexander the Great, Attila the Hun, Chesty Puller, Jeanne the Maid -- they didn't have one or two wins under their belt; they kicked ass every in every engagement. The only reason Hannibal didn't take all of Italy was because his country didn't support his campaign -- but despite that, Hannibal won almost every battle he went into. Grant wasn't known for being consistent in anything other than his drinking, but history is written by the victors.

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    1. "Grant wasn't known for being consistent in anything other than his drinking, but history is written by the victors." I couldn't have said it better myself.

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